Dan and David Zurawik have a spirited, wide-ranging and sometimes testy conversation about presidents (Trump and Obama) and the press, CNN being “iced out” by the White House, news reporting on Trump supporters, Obama administration pursuit of reporters’ sources, NAFTA and the Affordable Care Act. In this episode, Zurawik refers to two programs, a podcast from Al Jazeera English about the Obama administration and the press, and an upcoming Showtime program about the 2016 election.Links: http://www.sho.com/titles/3445564/trumped-inside-the-greatest-political-upset-of-all-timehttp://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/listeningpost/2017/01/obama-media-freedom-unprecedented-intrusion-170122115158844.html